| Descendents of Charlesworth Thornton & Hannah Bateson contact: John Davis webmaster@ivu.org |
| Charlesworth
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| Thomas| Thornton| b.1813| Gildersome| |
|Mary |? |1823 |Holbeck |
Joseph| Thornton| b.1815| Wortley| |
|Elizabeth |Charlesworth | | |
Charles| Thornton| b.1817| Wortley| |
|Paulina |? |b.1820 |Wortley |
William Thornton b.1919 Wortley |
MaryAnne Thornton b.1821 Wortley |
Eliza Thornton b.1824 Wortley |
Richard| Thornton| b.1826| Wortley| |
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Maria Thornton b.1830 Wortley |
Sarah Thornton b.1832 Wortley |
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| Frank Thornton b.1860 Holbeck |
Frederick Thornton b.1840 Wortley |
Charlesworth Thornton |
Asaph| Shaw| b.1849| Rochdale| |
|Elizabeth |Thornton |b.1845 |Wortley |
Joseph Thornton b.1858 Wortley |
Charles Thornton b.1847 Wortley |
William Thornton b.1848 Wortley |
Eleanor Thornton b.1851 Wortley |
Thomas Thornton b.1853 Wortley |
John Thornton b.1860 Wortley |
Edith Thornton |
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| Margaret Shaw b.1880 Lancs |
Charles Shaw b.1881 Lancs |
Edwin| Hibbert| | | |
|Lillian A |Shaw |b.1883 |Lancs |
Geoffery Shaw b.1886 Lancs |
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1871 Census 1871 Census 1871 Census 1881 Census 1881 Census 1891 Census 1891 Census --- from Susie: Bateson, Hannah christened 5 March 1798, per census born 1790-91 children: 2. Richard died c. 1862 4. Maria Grandma's (Lillian Shaw Hibbert) notes/my parents as follows: Joseph Thornton and wife Elizabeth died 1849 of cholera. Mother (Elizabeth) aged 5), Frederick aged 8 sent to live with her aunts Maria, Sophia, Eliza, and Marianne. Frederick couldn't take it so he was sent with Charlesworth to live with Uncle Richard at Poole. (more likely the aunts couldn't take 2 little boys). Frederick left for the army at 15 (1855) and remained in the army for 10 years . When discharged, he went in for the coach trade. Charlesworth took the Old Ebor Hotel and prospered. (Old Ebor Hotel built against the Great Wall of York and had stables for 20 horses/breeding farm at Poole. (apparently Charlesworth and Frederick maintained house or lease of property at Poole which they used to supply the Old Ebor with horses. Grandma spoke of visiting at or living at Poole Hall) Our mother (Lillian's) was Elizabeth Thornton before her marriage. The Thorntons were and old family going back to the 13th Century. Her grandfather was Old Squire Thornton whose fortune was made in wool. Most of the villagers had looms in their homes and the bolts of woolen cloth were collected, shipped largely abroad. He lost a huge fortune shipping blankets and shiploads of food to help the Confederate Army. Lost four ships in the blockade alone. (The Squire died 1857, so if ships lost not likely during Civil War) Squire Thornton was a rollicking country gentleman. Master of the Branimermore Hunt (word illegible ?Branham) for years. He was a most popular figure in the Wharfedale area. He was presented with a silver tea service - the teapot having a silver horse on the lid. This tea service is a valued family possession. (I still have it, missing sugar and tray) Squire Thornton had three sons. Joseph who married a Miss Elizabeth Charlesworth whose father owned Charlesworth Collieries. (not that I can ascertain) Richard helped his father with the estate which covered acres of the moor where thousands of sheep were raised. He (Richard) married late in life, a young girl and it was unfortunate. She left him after ten years, but with one daughter, Edith. Bateson married a Miss Alice Blackstone whose father was in business which was considered a disgrace to the family. He (the father-in-law) was a money lender. Very rich with his pawnshops and moneylending (usuary as they called it in those days and was "de trop") He (Bateson) had three sons Edward, Thomas, and William and one daughter, Eleanor. They (Joseph Thornton and Elizabeth) had three children: Charlesworth, Frederick and Elizabeth. There was a shocking epidemic of cholera and Joseph died as he was carving the roast. Mother (Elizabeth Thornton) was five and Frederick 4. They were taken to Baux House on Ilkley Moor to live with Squire Thornton's five daughters- Maria, Eliza, Sophia, Mary Ann and Amelia (all maiden ladies) Amelia married later, but died three years later. The fortunes of the Aunts were greatly reduced (Probably Uncle Richard bungled it) so the aunts moved to Beeston Hill, Leeds and took the old Folly Hall and opened a boarding school for young ladies. Mother was about 17 at the time and, of course, took an active part in the school I would like to describe these aunts.(daughters of Hannah B. and the Squire. This is first hand observation as my grandmother herself lived a time with these aunts)) Maria was tall, angular, and straight as a ramrod. Her forehead was large and square. Gimlet would describe her eyes, the nose was straight and thin, the mouth like a money box slit. She wore almost always black alpaca which rustled as she walked. She was the business head of the school. Eliza was sweet and absent minded, round of face and figure, soft voiced and always calm. Sophia was delicate and died soon after. Mary Ann was my mother's favorite, she loved her dearly, but Mary Ann was completely under Maria's thumb. When Squire Thornton's wife (Hannah Bateson) was on her deathbed, she said, "Well Maria, you won't be long after me." And all the sisters took a deep breath secretly. Mother said. Mother's Uncle Richard was the manager of the estate and welcomed the children and secretly plied them with little presents from the market town. He married late in life. She was much younger, quite a girl-they had one daughter, Edith, who married a John Riddle (Liddle?) of Cawood. The castle of Cawood was where King Edward the Third was born. (Edith and John had a son, Stanley.) Apparently, Uncle Richard was good with the children. Grandma remembered her mother saying that he would take her driving and said the horses hooves said, "prop-er-ty, prop-er-ty, prop-erty.") It was after the death of mother's uncle Richard that the sisters moved to Folly Hall to open a boarding school. Elizabeth, called Lizzie by all the family, was employed ceaselessly in the school and the school prospered for many years. One summer Lizzie persuaded the aunts to let her take a trip to Scarboro with her friend Kitty Gilbanks the daughter of Reverend Gilbanks, vicar of Leeds Parish Church. Lizzie was 28 years old. At Scarboro they met many charming men, but one in particular took dear Lizzie's fancy. He was tall, had a golden beard, handsome and exceedingly good company. They met each day and walked along the spa, had tea at the little tables and talked of many subjects. Kitty Gilbanks' escort was an equally charming companion. They introduced one another. Asaph Shaw and Tom Burke. Asaph told of his college years. But did not mention his profession or line of business. Tom Burke was in a publishing office of the Yorkshire Evening Post. The week flew past and they parted agreeing to write. On arriving home Lizzie told aunt Eliza that she had met a gentleman and he was going to write to her. Would auntie please see that Maria did not get (intercept) the letter. So the romance continued for some months, then Lizzie received a letter telling her very unhappily that he must confess his calling was to the Baptist ministry and that he was afraid to tell her personally because of the Thornton's close association with the Church of England. Lizzie loved him and never in his life had anyone pay her such devoted attention. Lizzie was deeply disturbed. Here was a great gulf between the Church of England and the various chapels of denominations called "non-conformist" and she rightly guessed how such a match would be received. She could not tell even Aunt Eliza and a week passed simply because she did not know how to tell him that his was so … that she loved him. No, she could not say that because of her strict training and no lady told a man she loved him until he proposed and was accepted. So Asaph set off from Manchester to Leeds to see Lizzie. He rang and the maid told Maria that a gentleman wanted to see Miss Thornton. (4 Miss Thorntons and Maria biggest cheese) Asaph was shown in Maria asked him to sit down. She said he would like to see Miss Thornton. "I am Miss Thornton" said Maria looking at him with her disapproving face. Asaph stammered, "Miss Elizabeth" and Aunt Maria said, "your cards, sir" she could see he was a gentleman and embarrassed. The maid started to tell Eliza that a young gentleman had called to see Miss Thornton and evidently he was come to see Lizzie. Eliza said, "go call Lizzie and tell her to hurry." Lizzie guessed at once who the visitor was and thought it best to let Asaph explain. "What is your profession" asked Aunt Maria. "I am a Baptist minister" said Asaph. A Baptist minister! Said, Maria Thornton with all the scorn of a bitter nature. A Baptist minister! Yes, said Asaph, and I wish to ask you for the hand of Elizabeth. I love her dearly. Eliza and Lizzie then entered and Maria turned to Lizzie and upbraided her for her deceit and ingratitude and reminded Lizzie that she was dependant upon her (Maria) for her livelihood and had been since a child. Lizzie crossed over to Asaph and stood by his side. No, no, said Maria, No-o, and left the room. Asaph and Lizzie could find little to say but looked at one another and both knew it was alright… that they loved each other. "I'll write again to you and Miss Thornton and we will both pray that God will soften her heart. …and that is as far as my grandmother got with her written version of the story. NB Lizzie and Asaph had a 6 year courtship. And it seems she was never entirely straight with him about their age difference The end of the story is as follows: God apparently did not soften the hearts of confirmed Anglican old maids towards the romantic inclinations of non conformists. Neither did He soften the hearts of Peculiar Baptist ministers, namely Asaph Shaw's father,. Lizzie and Asaph essentially "ran away" or married without consent or blessing of either family. Essentially both were disowned. Their religious differences were accommodated by Asaph leaving the ministry for employment an Auditor for a railroad in Manchester. Lizzie continued to be an Anglican and Asaph continued to attend the Baptist church. They had four children: Margaret Beatrice, Charles, Lillian, and Geoffrey. Asaph was fatally injured in an accident in the railway station when the youngest, Geoffrey, was 18 months old. He was carried home and died within two weeks of head injuries. ( Engine jumped bumper in Manchester station and first car behind engine where RR personnel rode crumpled into it. Because he was incoherent during the last days, a fiance of my grandmother broke the engagement on the basis of "insanity in the family") Lizzie said of the ten years they were married that they were the happiest of her life and worth every bit. Lizzie was left a widow at the age of 42 with four young children. Asaph had insurance; however, it was stipulated that it would not pay out until his youngest child reached the age of 18.…more than 16 years. As it happened a girl who had been at school with Lizzie had married an Italian count. The friend died leaving a young child and naming Lizzie as the child's guardian. The income for her guardianship duties allowed the family to carry on. Jane, the maid, stayed without pay. It is unclear at what point Lizzie asked her aunts for help. It appears that the Shaws had little or nothing to do with the family. (Grandma -Lillian- remembered meeting her Shaw grandparents once- the grandmother had a very deformed back (severe arthritis or scoliosis) that scared 4 year -old Lillian into a screaming fit.) It seems that the Thornton aunts arrived and said they would help by taking one of the children. Lizzie said, you can't have Margaret, she is the oldest and my right arm, you can't have Charles as he is the "man" of the house now, and you can't have Geoffrey as he is too small so I guess it will have to be Lillian." From mother's and my memories, the following roughly brings us up to
date: My grandmother, left H. Samuels and went on to work managing an early auto dealership in Manchester and as Laboratory Manager for a Mr. Thompson at the Royal Society in Manchester -where she did both lab work and clerical work. She became close friends with her assistant, Gertie Hibbert, and married Gertie's, brother, Edwin Hibbert in 1919. Hibbert's had a hatting business in Hyde, Lancs. My great-grandfather Hibbert born Mellor, Cheshire, was a founder of the Borstal system) My grandfather, as younger son, went out to Canada and was an accountant. for Bank of Toronto in Winnipeg. My grandmother couldn't take the cold climate so they came into US in 1922. My mother, Marjorie Hibbert was born July 20, 1920, trained for Ballet
and danced with Portland and San Francisco opera ballets until she married
my father, Louis Benjamin Scruggs in 1941 (4 feb 1917-18 dec 1995). .
Mother had one brother, William Thornton Hibbert b. July 2, 1922 d. 1991.
He served in US Air Corps in N. \Africa and Iraq (Basra- when nothing
there but camels) as a meteorologist. He worked for Transworld Airlines
as NY and LA dispatcher until his retirement in about 1986. He married
Rita Mossman
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